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Van Helsing:
Hallo Leute,

 8) Vor kurzem habe ich in einem Reiseführer über London (der alle interessanten Kriminalschauplätze dieser Stadt aufgelistet hatte), etwas
über eine junge Eßkastanienverkäuferin namens Mrs. Paumier gelesen.
Sie habe in den frühen Morgenstunden des 9. Novembers 1888, also dem Tag, an dem M. J. Kellys Leiche gefunden wurde, eine merkwürdige Begegnung gehabt.
Sie befand sich am östlichen Ende der Artillery Street und wurde dort von einem Mann angesprochen, der einen schwarzen Mantel und eine helle Hose trug. In der Hand trug er eine glänzende schwarze Tasche.
Der Mann sprach sie an und fragte ob sie etwas von dem Mord in der Dorset Street gehört habe (für alle die es nicht wissen, der Miller´s Court war eine Sackgasse, die von der Dorset Street abgibg).
Mrs. Paumier bejahte seine Frage, woraufhin der Fremde zu ihr sagte:
"Ich weiß mehr darüber als Sie."
Dannach ging er davon.  
Der Jungen Frau viel auf, dass der Mann seltsam dunkle Flecke auf seiner Hose hatte, sie glaubte dass es Blutflecken gewesen sein könnten.
Am Ende war sie zeitlebens davon überzeugt, dass der Fremde der sie angesprochen hatte Jack the Ripper gewesen war.

Mich persönlich würde ja die Personenbeschreibung interessiern, aber leider weist der Reiseführer keine Beschreibung des seltsamen Mannes auf. Vielleicht hatte Mrs. Paulmier auch keine Aussage über diesen Vorfall gemacht.
Dennoch könnte Mrs. Paulmier der einzelne Mensch gewesen sein, der
den Ripper aus nächster nähe gesehen hatte (und dabei überlebte), und sie war auch der erste Mensch, dem der Ripper so gesehen den Mord an
M. J. Kelly gestanden hat. Der Satz, "Ich weiß darüber mehr als sie", könnte wie ein Geständniss wirken. Der Mann wusste deshalb darüber
mehr als sie, weil er den Mord selbst begangen hatte.
Die Spritzer auf der Hose, hätten tatsächlich Blutspritzer sein können.
Das Massaker das im Miller´s Court Nr. 13 angerichtet worden ist, hätte bestimmt einige Blutspritzer auf der Kleidung als Folge.
Und die Tasche die der Mann bei sich trug, enthielt halt Diverses Mordwerkzeug, in dem Fall alles was man brauchte um aus einen Menschen nur noch einen Haufen blutigen Fleisches zu machen.

Die Frage ist doch jetzt, wer dieser Mann war, der Mrs. Paumier angesprochen hatte. Wenn seine Identität geklärt werden könnte, könnte wohl auch die Identität des Rippers geklärt werden. 8)

academyfightsong:
Boston Daily Globe, 10 November 1888

Another curious circumstance is worth mentioning. The murder was not made known until 12 o'clock. Mrs. Paumier, who seems to be a credible person, sells walnuts in Sandys row, near the scene of the murder. She states that at 11 o'clock today a respectably dressed man carrying a black bag came up to her and began talking about the murder. He wanted to know everything about it. He did not buy any walnuts, and, after standing a few minutes, went away. Mrs. Paumier describes him as about 30 years old, 5 feet six inches in height. He wore a checked pair of trousers and a black coat.
Several girls in the neighborhood say the same man accosted them, and they chafled him. When they asked him what he had in the black bag he said: "Something that ladies don't like." This is all that is known of him.
If the police have further information they carefully conceal it, but there is no reason to believe that they have.


London Times, 10 November 1888

A Mrs Paumier, a young woman who sells roasted chestnuts at the corner of Widegate-street, a narrow thoroughfare about two minutes' walk from the scene of the murder, told a reporter yesterday afternoon a story which appears to afford a clue to the murderer. She said that about 12 o'clock that morning a man dressed like a gentleman came up to her and said, "I suppose you have heard about the murder in Dorset-street?" She replied that she had, whereupon the man grinned and said, "I know more about it than you." He then stared into her face and went down Sandy's-row, another narrow thoroughfare which cuts across Widegate-street. Whence he had got some way off, however, he vanished. Mrs Paumier said the man had a black moustache, was about 5ft 6in, high, and wore a black silk hat, a black coat, and speckled trousers. He also carried a black shiny bag about a foot in depth and a foot and a half in length. Mrs Paumier stated further that the same man accosted three young women, whom she knew, on Thursday night, and they chaffed him and asked him what he had in the bag, and he replied, "Something that the ladies don't like." One of the three young women she named, Sarah Roney, a girl about 20 years of age, states that she was with two other girls on Thursday night in Brushfield-street which is near Dorset-street, when a man wearing a tall hat and a black coat, and carrying a black bag, came up to her and said, "Will you come with me?" She told him that she would not, and asked him what he had in the bag, and he said, "Something the ladies don't like." He then walked away.


Manchester Guardian, 10 November 1888
 
Mrs. Paumier, a chestnut seller at the corner of Widcoate-street, a narrow thoroughfare about two minutes' walk from the scene of the murder, told a reporter a story which appear (sic) to afford a clue to the murder. She said that about 12 o'clock this morning a man dressed like a gentleman came to her and said, "I suppose you have heard about the murder in Dorset-street." She replied that she had, whereupon the man grinned and said "I know more about it than you." He then tared into her face and went down Sandys Row,, another narrow thoroughfare which cuts across Widcoate-street. When he had got some way off he looked back, as if to see whether she was watching him, and then vanished. Mrs. Paumier said the man had a black moustache, was about 5ft. 6in. in height, and wore a black silk hat, black coat, and speckled trousers. He carried a black bag about 1ft. in depth and 1 1/2 ft. in length. Sarah Roney, a girl about 20 years of age, states that she was with two other girls last night in Brushfield-street, which is near Dorset-street, when a man wearing a tall hat and a black coat, and carrying a black bag, came up to her, and said, "Will you come with me?" She told him she would not, and asked him what he had in the bag, and he said, "Something the ladies don't like. He then walked away.


Daily Telegraph, 10 November 1888

Almost the sole testimony which seems to have any bearing on the affair is that given by a young woman named Pannier [Paumier], who sells roasted chestnuts at the corner of Widegate-street, a narrow thoroughfare about two minutes' walk from the crime. Mrs. Pannier is reported to have stated that shortly after noon yesterday a man, dressed like a gentleman, said to her, "I suppose you have heard about the murder in Dorset-street?" and that when she replied that she was aware of it he said, "I know more about it than you." He then proceeded down Sandy's-row, a narrow thoroughfare which cuts across Widegate-street, looking back as if to see whether he was watched. Mrs. Pannier described this person as a man about 5 ft. 6 in. high, with a black moustache, and wearing a black silk hat, dark coat, and speckled trousers. He carried a black shiny bag about eighteen inches long and a foot deep. It will be remembered that this description agrees fairly well with a personage previously described, and that the black bag has more than once figured in the evidence given. It may be worth while to recall that at the inquiry into the Berner-street murder Mrs. Mortimer said, "The only man I had seen pass through Berner-street previously was a young man who carried a black shiny bag." Similarly Arthur Bachert [Albert Bachert] deposed: "On Saturday night at about seven minutes to twelve, I entered the Three Nuns Hotel, Aldgate. While in there an elderly woman, very shabbily dressed, came in and asked me to buy some matches. I refused, and she went out. A man who had been standing by me remarked that these persons were a nuisance, to which I responded 'Yes.' He then asked me to have a glass with him, but I refused, as I had just called for one myself. He then asked a number of questions about the women of the neighbourhood, and their ages, &c. He asked if l could tell him where they usually visited. He went outside and spoke to the woman, and gave her something, I believe. He was a dark man, height about 5 ft. 6 in. or 5 ft. 7 in. He wore a black felt hat, dark clothes, morning coat, black tie, and carried a black shiny bag." But the point in Mrs. Pannier's statement which engaged the greatest amount of attention, and which, if corroborated, might unquestionably possess real significance was her further averment that she had seen the same man on the previous evening, and that he had accosted three young unfortunates in Dorset-street, who chaffed him, and asked what he had in the bag, and he replied, "Something that the ladies don't like." It remains to be seen at Monday's inquest whether this statement, and especially the latter portion of it, upon which its significance really depends, is confirmed.

DetectiveX:
puuh! ich finde das ganz schön interessant! denkt ihr das war wirklich jack?

Jan_Schattling:
mmmh... wer weis.

Es war sicher jemand, der mehr über den Mord wusste (lol).

Nein jetzt mal im ernst.
Warum sollte Jack so etwas getahn haben?
Ich halte dies für eine Ente.

Mich erstaunt es, das nicht noch mehr solcher Berichte auftauchen.
Leute die falsche Ripperbriefe schreiben würden wohl auch zu solchen scherzen tendieren.
Wirklich zu belangen währe der Scherzbold für seine Aktionen auch nicht wirklich, da er niemals etwas behauptet hat, was ihn überhaupt mit Jack in Verbindung bringt.

Jan

DetectiveX:
entweder es war der ripper selbst, ein komplietze , ein freund oder ein bekannter des rippers das steht schonmal fest. oder es war wieder mal nur ein fußgänger der sich wichtig machen wollte

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